Title: Questions From Bellomence
Bellomence - September 3, 2008 10:57 AM (GMT)
1.) Is there a chatbox in this place? If yes, why not put the chatbox in this forum?
I am new in this place. I'm asking, since I can't find one in this forum. Or maybe put a chatbox below the forums.... I don't know, but I saw other sites with a chatbox in below or above the forums....
Pros: Everyone knows how helpful a chatbox can be for a forum like this. You can hang out with other members in the chatbox and forge new friendships if you want. You will know the members better that way. Chatboxes/Shoutboxes are very helpful indeed.
Cons: Spam... Unknown people spamming the chatbox that can be very annoying... But there's always a solution to everything. If the chatbox can ban users (like Chatango, etc.), then ban them. Use a chatbox with more features, etc.
2.) Can someone please give me a link to the forum's Complete and Detailed Staff List?
I would like to know who are the moderators and administrators of this place. ::P:
3.) I would like to know how old is EV forums....
Kronakitty - September 3, 2008 08:44 PM (GMT)
Question One: No, there is no chatbox, and I don't plan on ever putting one up. It takes up space, and forum =/= chatroom.
Question Two: You can see the staff list if you go below the board and click on "moderating team" or whatever it says. Zephyr and I are admins, Shadow is a mod.
Question Three: It's older than Eonlight Valley, actually, if you only consider Eonlight Valley as what it is now and not Mew's Paradise and all the other stages it went through. I'd say... 3-5 years, possibly.
Shadow - September 4, 2008 01:27 AM (GMT)
Actually, October, Hazelnut, and I don't show up on the staff list since we're just MC mods. =O So only Zeph and Kronakitty are listed there.
Bellomence - September 6, 2008 09:05 AM (GMT)
I have more questions to ask:
1.)What is MC Moderator?
2.)Why the RPG's not functioning anymore?
3.)Why EV's not accepting any affiliates?
| QUOTE (Kronakitty @ Sep 3 2008, 08:44 PM) |
| Question One: No, there is no chatbox, and I don't plan on ever putting one up. It takes up space, and forum =/= chatroom. |
Probably the weirdest forum I've ever joined. So what if forum =/= chatroom? Why not try it? It might bring back the forum's activity (I think the forum is dead ::(: ), or it might strengthen ties between the staff and members. Unless you hate the idea of forging friendships between forum members, I won't blame you.
We don't know, maybe the chatbox will become a hanging place for all of us when there is nothing to post in the forums.
I already visited sites with chatboxes, and it was proven successful of its purpose. Why not try it yourself for a change? It wont hurt you, and there are FREE chatboxes. And let's see the results.
So I suggest putting the chatbox somewhere in this site for some experimenting. Let's see what will happen. (Although it may be too late, as there are only few members visiting this forum)
And here's my proposal:
Let's try putting a chatbox somewhere (I said it the second time). Don't worry, the chatbox wont kill you and it wont eat you and your budget, because it's free. It wont eat THAT much space. I've seen an InvisionFree Forum with a chatbox, and there are no complaints about the space you are talking about. Interactions between members will produce stronger ties between them, and at the same time will create a friendly and healthy environment in here. It's easier to interact in the chatbox than in the forums, because of the quickness of response in the chatbox, unlike in the forums. And in the forums, you are limited to talk to a topic, while you can talk about almost anything in the chatbox.
If the chatbox failed on its purpose, then remove it. If it succeed, then leave it. As simple as that.
Trying won't hurt, just for a change. Unless you hate changes.
I'm only voicing out. Forgive me if I have done something wrong.
IceMasterX - September 6, 2008 02:37 PM (GMT)
You haven't done anything wrong. ^^ I've tried to get a c-box put up more than once, but kronakitty doesn't want one. It sometimes slows down the forum for people, and there's already one on the website... So, it's no use. xD We prolly won't be getting a c-box put up. =P
Twilight - September 6, 2008 04:25 PM (GMT)
Chatboxes... Cut actual forum activity... Wait... Who am I to be awnsering, gah, why not?
Chatboxes cut forum activity(belive me, I tried one on my own forum, TTV. No workie outie.). They defeat the purpose of forums, also. And who cares if you can only post "in-topic"? It's basicly what forums are for. Posting topics, users repling with something relevent, ect. =D
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| hate the idea of forging friendships between forum members |
Umm... What? Isn't that what the
Chatroom forum is for? Talking about basicly anything?'~'
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| Why the RPG's not functioning anymore? |
I'd like to know this myself, I made "Warriors: Light Clan's story" but nobody joined, and the Kanto adventures one somebody(can't remember who) made got one member then died...
Uh... Yeah... Sorry if Kronakitty wanted to respond to that post...
Kronakitty - September 6, 2008 05:16 PM (GMT)
MC Mod = RP mod. RPG not functioning? I admit I've lost interest in maintaining it, but Shadow and Zephyr still go there now and then.
EV's not accepting affiliates because I get way too many requests and I think I have enough affiliates right now. I'll reopen it some time later.
The forum is NOT DEAD. I actually find it quite offensive of you to say so, especially since there are quite a few loyal members who come regularly, and new members are joining every month. As for being weird, you obviously haven't gone to many Pokemon forums. TCoD doesn't have one, Pokemon Community doesn't have one... it's all preference. A forum is complete without one.
There is never "nothing to post" in the forum. There are so many categories that you can post in, including a Chatroom for general talk. If you want a chatbox so much, go talk via IM. It's simple.
I completely 100% agree with what Twilight said. Chatboxes completely ruin the purpose of a forum, and is a main reason why they die in the first place.
No, I do not hate the idea of forging friendships between forum members. If I did, EVF would never have been created under any circumstance if I was such a person like that. ^_^
EDIT:
It might be possible to put one of those chatroom invisionfree add-ons if I find one. =/ But for now I really don't think it's a great idea.
Shadow - September 6, 2008 05:31 PM (GMT)
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| I completely 100% agree with what Twilight said. Chatboxes completely ruin the purpose of a forum, and is a main reason why they die in the first place. |
I agree with this. If there's a chatbox on the forum, then what's the point of posting when you can just talk to your friends there? This is a forum, not a chatbox.
The forum isn't dead, either, and it's certainly not "too late". There's still people that post here. There's still conversations that go on. The forums live. Sure, they're not huge and popular and get 500 posts a day, but that certainly doesn't mean they're dead.
As for the RPG, Zephyr and I still maintain it. There's a
Request Referee thread you can post in to get your topic updated; I've only been updating the ones that have been posted there, since that way I know I'm not wasting my time by updating something that the owner doesn't want to continue.
Bellomence - September 6, 2008 08:05 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Twilight @ Sep 6 2008, 04:25 PM) |
Chatboxes... Cut actual forum activity... Wait... Who am I to be awnsering, gah, why not?
| QUOTE | | hate the idea of forging friendships between forum members |
Umm... What? Isn't that what the Chatroom forum is for? Talking about basicly anything?'~' |
I disagree to that fact that "chatboxes defeat the purpose of the forum". I, instead, call it "an extension of the forum. When you can't post anything to the forums, then go to the chatbox and talk to someone online". Hard to comprehend, huh? BTW, this is the first site I visited when everyone perceive the chatbox as something with a negative effect.
Putting a chatbox will only defeat the purpose of this "Chat Room Forum", not everything in here.
And chatbox response is much quicker than in the Chatroom Forum, unless no one cares about the chatbox (or no one is online). Especially since I talk from experience. There are successful sites with chatbox, by the way.
Why would I even suggest this c-box? Because I see successful sites where c-boxes didn't even lower their activity or like that. Yes, I don't even think that c-boxes can threaten the forums that much.
AND, I know this forum's not dead, it only appears to be dead in front of my eyes. Talking about my very first days in this forum. As long as members still visit this forum, then it's OK.
| QUOTE (Kronakitty @ Sep 6 2008, 05:16 PM) |
| I completely 100% agree with what Twilight said. Chatboxes completely ruin the purpose of a forum, and is a main reason why they die in the first place. |
That was complete exaggeration. If it's true, then all the sites I always visit would have died a long time ago because of their c-boxes. But the opposite is happening! It's becoming a hangout for bored members that can't post anything in a forum.
| QUOTE (Kronakitty @ Sep 6 2008, 05:16 PM) |
| There is never "nothing to post" in the forum. There are so many categories that you can post in, including a Chatroom for general talk. If you want a chatbox so much, go talk via IM. It's simple. |
Sorry but you forgot some things:
1.) If I don't have or don't know the IM you are talking about?
2.) What happened to me in the last days? I even have to post this topic just to talk to someone. Those last days here is what I call a forum where "there is nothing to post". Hard to understand, huh?
But you know, it's like this proposal would not even get anyone to anywhere.
I might conclude that this chatbox thing will not even work to this forum. Everyone perceive it with negative thoughts (Which is odd, because it is perceived very positively by others). And there's already a chatbox in the site, so I might not care anymore.
Just voicing out. The forum is quiet for the last days. The chatbox can become a hanging place for times like those. (Yes, I'm sure of it.)
Shadow - September 7, 2008 03:51 AM (GMT)
I think you're missing what we're afraid of. Yes, if there's a chatbox, you can talk there when there's "nothing to post". It can become a hanging place. It can become the hanging place.
Think about it. This forum isn't that active. It's not dead, but it's not that active. I'm lazy. If there were a chatbox, I would come on every once in a while, post something like "Hi guys, sorry I haven't been active" and leave. A chatbox, in a not-too-active forum like this, would become a place to pretend you're active by talking a lot in the chatbox.
I have nothing against chatboxes, I like chatboxes. I don't doubt at all that successful forums have chatboxes. I just don't think it would have a positive impact here.
I understand your point, Bellomence, and I respect your opinion, but I have my opinion too, and unfortunately in this topic I don't think anyone's going to be swayed. =/
Bellomence - September 7, 2008 07:36 AM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Shadow @ Sep 7 2008, 03:51 AM) |
| I think you're missing what we're afraid of. Yes, if there's a chatbox, you can talk there when there's "nothing to post". It can become a hanging place. It can become the hanging place. |
First of all, a c-box won't kill a forum automatically.
Second, I really don't miss all of your points. All of you are exaggerating too much.
According to my observations, the topics left for this place is casual chat. Yeah I get it now.. the only topics left for this place are the topics that must be posted in the Chat Room Forum.
Because in the forums I visit, maybe, they discuss not only casual chat. Competitive battles (what this forum lacks, but the chatbox isn't the right place to talk about it, not everyone likes competitive battling), competitions (any kind of competition, Pokemon-related or not), RPG (chatbox isn't the best place to make an RPG, because it's easier to archive messages in the forum), artwork rating (the chatbox sucks when it comes to rating artworks), ordering a banner or avatar (there's a shop in the forum, why order one in a chatbox?), and fanfics (writing fanfics in a chatbox is plain not right).
The things above are what the chatboxes can't do that the forums can. Chatbox can be a hanging place but the forums are still best for long discussions and the likes of it.
Why not exploit the benefits we can have for the c-box and the forums at the same time? It might work. Just try it.
You all worry too much. What I'm worried about in the first is the chatbox not doing anything. There are ignored c-boxes, or c-boxes that don't auto-kill the forum, no matter how few the members are.
BlabberGhost - September 7, 2008 08:08 AM (GMT)
I'd like to insert my two cents, if I may, and make my own personal proposals as to why I think you're all half-right, and half-wrong. If I say anything offensive, I really don't mean to, I'm just trying to voice my opinions and ideas in a worthwhile way that makes people pay attention to the actual points. I apologize in advance if I say anything that makes others feel bad - I know what that's like, and it certainly is terrible. ;~;
Yes, the purpose of both, a C-box and a board, are nearly the same thing. The raw basics are a form or getting together with friends, meeting new people, and chatting. Although forums are obviously more large, they do have a smaller range of chat, because most forums focus around one or two things, maybe with a few other, scattered categories or sub-categories here and there. While a C-box is generally for anything people feel like talking about, period.
However, C-boxes do not destroy forums in any logical sense! The only thing that can destroy a forum, is the members (*cough*andhackers/spambots*cough*), and how they react to certain additions, subtractions, news, and the such. Just because you add a C-box, does not immediately give your board a death-sentence, but if the members do start to spend all of their time there, and neglect the forums, you have a problem. If the members react better, and spend an equal amount of time in both areas, then the problem is resolved. The fact that you slapped a code onto the board has absolutely nothing to do with the activity of it.
And of course, the activity of the forum could never be completely destroyed. How do you post artwork in a Cbox? How do you RP? Battle? Make the longer posts (much like this one), with big, advanced words, so that you can actually do something helpful to a debate? You couldn't write those fabulous fanfictions without spamming away. There are many things in the forums that you cannot do on a Cbox, and it would inspire the members to continue posting anyhow.
Bellomance was simply asking you to try it out. If you find it doesn't/isn't serving it's original or correct purpose, go ahead and take it off, it's all for the better of the board then - but she/he (^^;;) was simply requesting that you give it a shot. And who knows, maybe the members here will react a little better than the ones at some other forums?
And the excuses about the Chatroom forum being a replacement for a Chatbox just wont fly. Because sometimes, people do just want to hangout in a Cbox for a little while, and bond/talk with some member or friend, or even just complain in little short sentences. Or leave someone an offline message, perhaps?
No, I really could care less if we obtain a Chatbox here or not, I'd just like to say that you're exaggerating the whole "C-boxes kill forums" and Bellomance's request.
Bellomence - September 11, 2008 02:11 PM (GMT)
So what happened to your ZetaBoards Conversion Plan? I read the thread about it, but it seems that your forum's not converted yet, or is it?
Just asking....
Kronakitty - September 11, 2008 08:53 PM (GMT)
Zetaboards is waiting for two more updates before they convert the next batch. Let's just hope EVF is included in it.
Bellomence - September 15, 2008 01:23 PM (GMT)
| QUOTE (Kronakitty @ Sep 11 2008, 08:53 PM) |
| Zetaboards is waiting for two more updates before they convert the next batch. Let's just hope EVF is included in it. |
Are you aware of the bugs associated with converting an IF forum to ZetaBoards? They say that sometimes the moderators aren't appearing on Moderating Team List after the conversion, or the forum moderators do not save. I think there are more, but I hope you are already aware with these stuff. You may read the Wikipedia article of ZetaBoards for more list of potential bugs.
But I do want to see this forum being converted no matter what.